More on the 345 trampled dead in Mecca

Following on my post below it looks like some Saudi leaders are speaking out on the situation. Straight up. These are the men in Saudi society with the benefits of education and opportunity. Not loopy wahabists in the outer reaches of the kingdom, but the men running the whole show. And this is their honest response to this tragedy.

Crown Prince Sultan Bin Abdel Aziz told reporters the kingdom had "spared no effort" to avoid such disasters but, he added, "it cannot stop what God has preordained. It is impossible."

"This was fate destined by God," Maj. Gen. Mansour al-Turki, spokesman for the Interior Ministry said. "Some of the pilgrims were undisciplined and hasty to finish the ritual as soon as possible."

Here I go.......dropping the PC filter....... stand back.... CULTURES and CIVILIZATIONS ARE NOT BLOODY EQUALS in morality, sophistication, or basic good sense. All Cultures have problems, some cultures just ARE problems, SOME CULTURES JUST SUCK. No amount of indoctrination from addled multiculturalists is ever going to change this fact.